Involved Men: Women Need Appreciation

Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Doing the dishes is not the key to my heart. But it's a start.
If men are all about the fragile ego - what are women about?

As part of a larger post about relationships, cheating, and appreciation on Thank, Q  Quincy writes
Let's say Tonya always does the dishes every evening. She washes them and puts them away in the cabinet every single night. One evening, John decides to surprise Tonya and do the dishes so that she can relax. He washes them, but leaves them in the drain instead of drying and putting them in the cabinet.
Instead of Tonya being thankful for what he has done, her response is: "why did you wash the dishes and not put them up?" 
He says it doesn't matter that he didn't. When a guy steps in to wash dishes but doesn't put them away, the woman should be delicate with his ego. Even though he's done half the job so she actually doesn't get to relax and has to come in and finish it herself, Tonya should be grateful. She should stroke his ego so he doesn't cheat with the office bimbo who appreciates everything he does.

Really? Q suggests just because he didn't do it good enough for her, she should still be grateful. But that's the whole point. He shouldn't be doing it for her. He should just be doing it. A man's job is to share chores and when his partner is too tired to do her share, maybe he does hers too. As she should when he's tired. Partners help each other, that's how it goes. When he does do something for her, if he wants to help, he should do it completely, and not expect a parade in return. Men and women should both be appreciative and considerate.

Sometimes in relationships you have to pick your battles, and not complain about every damn thing. But walk on eggshells to protect his ego so he doesn't cheat? That is not a healthy relationship to begin with. Men should be able to soothe their own egos and not have to resort to infidelity or other women just to get it stroked, so to speak.

If you want a more grateful wife, try doing the dishes and putting them up every night. Want to talk common sense? Don't do things around the house for her. Do it because it's your job as much as hers. Men make a big deal about the slightest bit of effort they make, and with it comes the implicit demand for reciprocation. Here I got you these flowers, now let's have sex. Or, I washed some of the dishes, now let's have sex. Men, it's your job to help out. Sex shouldn't be a reward, and you don't get rewarded for a half-assed job. 

What does she get when she does a full-assed job, every day, all the time? Seriously, what does she get? The home is a place where everyone helps out because that's the way it goes. Stop making a woman feel like she is supposed to do everything and then be grateful to you when you choose to help out in the tiniest way. Of course you should do the dishes and put them up. Big. Deal.

She doesn't expect a parade when she does these things and neither should you. She doesn't do a half-assed job and neither should you. Help out around the house because you're a grownup not because you want her to notice you are helping. Always make her feel special - and you may find yourself actually getting a blowjob once in awhile.

I'm not wrong about this. Even The Stir agrees and they aren't exactly shooting for the moon. Some of the top 11 things Sasha Brown-Worsham finds sexy in men include cooking, speaking, dressing, and driving. So I don't really think women are asking that much.

A few summers ago I had to work three jobs to get by. Antonio wasn't bringing in much money. When I came home, he had cleaned the house (and cleaned it well), set the table, made dinner, and would rub my feet, run me a bath. It made everything worth it.

Women are not going to feel in the mood for boom boom if they have to flatter a man's half-assed once-in-a-blue-moon effort just so he doesn't boink the office bimbo.
  • Does anyone like feeling obligated to do things?

  • Do you like it when she does a half-assed job and expects ego-boosting or else?

  • Doing a half-assed job tells your partner you feel half-assed about them.

  • Would you tip a waiter for a half-cooked meal?
Quincy suggests men wouldn't care if women mowed half the lawn, they would just brag about her even trying to do it. That's because mowing the lawn is seen as a man's job, and a woman not doing a good job at a man's job actually makes the man feel better about himself. Let's look at this differently.

How would a man feel if a woman did a half-assed job on something he really needed help with, and then expected kudos for it, or else she'll going to boink the office-boy behind the water cooler? I don't want to say what that something is, but each person needs help with something from their partner, and has certain things they value.

Antonio really likes my cooking. It helps him feel cared for after a long day of working outside. If he came home, took care of the kids, cleaned the house, after working his job, and I made him a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and said "you better appreciate this or I'm going to boink the office boy who says I'm awesome" - things would hit a wall and hard.

Men do half-assed jobs because they know they get away with it. They do it because they know women will  sigh and just do it themselves. So, let me tell you something about women. Women want to be appreciated. The best way to earn a woman's respect is to appreciate her. She will mind doing the dishes  a lot less if she feels you genuinely appreciate her. And she'll be a lot more attentive if she feels you appreciate it, rather than expect it.

Women are told from day one they are supposed to do this, and expected to do that. Much of women's worlds are filled with duties and obligations, sacrifices and burdens. Women secretly and silently carry more burdens than men will ever know. Women are willing to do this when they feel appreciated. "Thank you" won't do it, but its a good place to start, and it needs to be genuine.

The worst thing you can do to kill desire is to make a woman feel taken for granted. Women should not have to coddle a man's ego when he does a half-assed job (the same job she always does without thanks). Partners need to be considerate and half-assing a job isn't considerate. Nobody thanks anybody for a job half-done. 

Thank, Q isn't suggesting anyone should cheat, or even that everyone would cheat. I think he's suggesting women should be less critical when men decide to help out a little. I'm saying men should always help because its their job, not because they expect something in return. So often, as soon as people appreciate the other, instead of focusing on their own ego, they find somehow their needs are met. Put those dishes up.

This is inspired by a post about appreciation on a great blog Thank, Q - read the original here.

21 comments:

Brett Minor said...

I know this is coming from a man, but AMEN!!!!

You couldn't have said it better. Men do like to have there egos stroked, but it should be earned.

Pish Posh said...

 Thanks Brett! Everyone likes to feel appreciated :)

Dogs On Drugs said...

So where's my sandwich?  (ducks)

Seriously, this is a common sense issue, and it cuts both ways.  Men should be willing to pitch in with dishes, laundry, and other chores that are (for whatever reason) typically assigned to women.  And women should be willing to pitch in with yard work, taking out the trash, and other chores that are (for whatever reason) typically assigned to men.

And it's the job of both to pitch in and not expect a Nobel Prize for doing so.  What is so hard to understand about that?

Ginakarpenko said...

Oh wow.  This angers me to no end.  This is why women are always labeled as bitches!  I'm sorry but I am fed up of having to do more than my fair share of work.  My last bf was a slob...a complete slob.  He would lounge at my house all day when I was at work and make the biggest effin mess.  I would work a 10 hour day, walk in and see him napping while my house was in disarray.  I would then wake his ass up to chew him out only to clean it myself and feel guilty later.  NOT COOL.  Then, my friends would suggest that I stroke his ego until he would "want" to help.  Nope.  No thanks.  I'm not into that.  I rather be single and live in my clean little home by myself than stroke some man's ego into helping me when he "felt like it."

Angie Uncovered said...

My cousin (male) told my father (I was 36 at the time) that he had failed me as a father. The reason? "Women are born to love, but they need to be taught to respect men." All of this was due to him telling me that as a democrat I would likely go to hell for going against the ways of the church. I responded with a little scripture, 

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."  Sure, I hit reply all when I did it. Sure, it went to everyone in his church and on his prayer list. It should have shown him that, while I still haven't learned to respect men blindly and accept the "gift" of his spiritual guidance, I do know a little about the Bible. 

Pish Posh said...

Yea I don't think a good partner's ego needs to be stroked in order for them to do their share.

It's that "I want you to want to do the dishes" - "why would I want to do the dishes?" thing.

(the Breakup)

Answer : "NOBODY WANTS TO DO THE DISHES. That's why I want YOU to want to do them." Because by wanting to help out and do your share - you are saying you WANT THE OTHER PERSON.

Pish Posh said...

What an amazing comment that probably deserves a post of its own!!

Respect is earned, not taught.

A person who doesn't respect the other enough to appreciate them doesn't deserve respect.

Someone who half-asses a chore and demands gratitude hasn't earned it. Not sure how Democrats go against the "ways of the church" but the "ways of the church" aren't always "the ways of God." And isn't it funny how so often people pick and choose which "ways" they want focus on. Respect is mutual, earned, and they don't mean respect anyway - they mean submission.

Angie Uncovered said...

Truer words have never been spoken! As to the half-assed chores... Have you ever had someone cook you a meal to "give you a break" and left you the messiest freakin' kitchen this side of a Tijuana flop house? It's like that!

Pish Posh said...

 Last week I was really sick and I nudged and said "will you make me some soup?"

He said "no thanks" because what he heard was "do you want me to make you soup?" because he's started taking it for granted that I will make him dinner, even when sick. And now I don't ever want to make him dinner, until, he stops expecting it.

But yes sometimes he does these little "projects" where he builds things he think we need, not what I asked him to build, and I just end up cleaning up the mess.

Thanks for the help! ;)

Thank, Q said...

This is an excellent post, but I think you missed what I was saying.  It wasn't about a woman not being able to do a man's job as good as he can or vice versa.  That excerpt above is about appreciation.  I think men are more appreciative of little things than some women may realize.  My post was about being supportive more than anything else.

You focused on chores and that's not what my post was about.  In fact, you basically took 15% of my post and turned it into a "woman make my sandwich and pleasure me" rebuttal.I think if your readers click my link, they may get an entirely different view of what my post was about.  I never said that a woman belonged in the kitchen or anything like that.  In fact, I even made reference to the man in my post cooking when his wife asked him "what's for dinner?"We all have roles in a relationship.  My job is vacuuming and dusting, The Mrs. is dishes and mopping.  If I decide to do the dishes one evening and I do something wrong, because it's not one of the roles assigned to me, then I would expect her to teach me rather than scold me.  I don't think that is too much to ask?  This post was one of 300+ that I have.  This one in particular happens to focus on a woman's treatment of a man.  I also have other posts of a man's treatment of a woman.  I like your post, but, I just don't think that it was about what I wrote and it's a bit misleading.  However, I thank you for your response and I think what you've written is very, very good.

Mayor Gia said...

I hear you, totally. I HATE it when men do a half assed job and want a ton of praise. It's like when a little kid "helps" and actually creates more work for the parents. But, it's OKAY when a little kid does it.

Pish Posh said...

 Okay I will add a disclaimer. But I do think I understood you - I'll clarify that I'm writing a reaction to what your post invoked in me. I like your blog. I've been reading many of your posts and I think you have great insights on gender topics particularly.

I know you were writing about appreciation - and how sensitive a man's ego is - but I'm writing in defense of the tired woman, who often goes without appreciation and the real sense that when a man does something he really needs all this reassurance and praise when a woman does the same thing all the time without praise because she is just expected to do it.

If the Mrs. usually does the dishes and you step in to help but don't do it perfectly, no perhaps you shouldn't be "scolded" but I don't think it should be that big of a deal either, people help each other out all the time.

Can't go wrong with making anyone in your life feel more appreciated, that is for sure. But did you read the comments below? I think what I am responding to and what readers pick up on is the gender difference between feeling you get to do something vs you have to do something, and a woman feeling like she has to encourage a man to help out and then overly appreciate him - when so often a woman just picks up the slack when its needed and neither expects nor receives recognition for it.

I'm just using chores as an example - but really it can be anything. Men have MUCH lower expectations  put on them in many if not most areas (higher in some perhaps). So it may sometimes seem that when a man does anything at all he is to be doused with celebration and I've just known too many men who demand appreciation without giving it, or who lower expectations by not doing anything. It's just unbalanced that's all. And I know you recognize that in much of your writing, so my reflections are inspired by if not in complete response to your post, but I do understand what you meant.

Thank you for your thoughtful comment and post!

Pish Posh said...

 Also I don't think I said that you said or even implied that a woman belongs in the kitchen or anything like that? That's certainly not how I took your post or what I meant to imply - I took it as simply the subtle messages a woman sends a man and areas a man misses and needs appreciation.

My response was about appreciation too. And I think its very frustrating to women to have a double standard. And the implication that cheating may result if women don't carry out the double-standard was problematic for me. I know chores was only one part of your longer post - I hope my readers visit your site to check that out too. Its just the chores part that stuck in my craw. I could have written another one about listening to each other at the end of the day, and also making the other feel like a prince/princess etc. to ward off cheating.

It seemed to me that you were saying women, be more appreciative of the effort your man makes and listen to his day more closely, because there will often be someone lurking about who will do that if you won't. Be encouraging.

And this is the message, I'm afraid, that women have been receiving since the Victorian era, and for me it is highly problematic! I don't think its one that I support.

Pish Posh said...

 Yes I think sometimes men can be treated like people with special needs. Women receive the message "no matter what he does tell him he's awesome!" and that's great but its not fair and it doesn't make women feel very good. And its complete nonsense that women might have to encourage a man to get him to do his fair share properly - or that he would do it FOR HER rather than because he's a man that lives in a home that needs work done in it and he should do half.

Do you know what I mean? Men will proudly say "look I mopped the floor!" and you better be grateful and tell him he's awesome - even though he used the wrong polish (which he would know not to do if he ever bothered to help out more often and take that responsibility) AND even though you vacuumed the house and did the laundry and went shopping and cooked dinner and put the dishes up. You know what? When you feel like you HAVE to do everything and the other person gets to choose to do some things and then expects praise no matter what kind of job is done when they bother to do anything at all - well its just not fair.

And I don't know I admire a man more when I don't have to stroke his ego like he is a child. I admire a man who is human, knows his worth, knows his weaknesses, and isn't obsessed with his ego.

How sexy is it when you DON'T have to coddle a man's ego? When he just does things and doesn't expect anything for it? When he treats you like a partner, not a mother? Anyway, whether its chores or simply other parts of the relationship, I really hate feeling like I have to stroke a man's ego or constantly build him up - especially if I feel like if I don't he will be disloyal and boost his ego elsewhere ARGH

Mayor Gia said...

Definitely. It's one of the many reasons I like Boyfriend - he does stuff like cook for me without expecting to be worshiped for it. And you know what? That makes me more likely to be grateful for it!

LA Juice said...

"Help out around the house because you're a grownup not because you want her to notice you are helping."   yep. That my friends is the secret to getting regular blowjobs. 

Pish Posh said...

 Well it certainly relaxes the clenched jaw muscles a bit

Pish Posh said...

 Me too. I think we all need to "need to be appreciated" a little less and just focus on appreciating the other person - and the appreciation will come naturally.

Nothing makes me want to listen to HIS day more than him listening to MINE. Nothing makes me want to appreciate and respect the effort HE puts in than him appreciating and respecting MY effort.

Maybe we all just need to stop being so sensitive and demanding respect, ego stroking, and appreciation and just do things because we just should.

Thank, Q said...

I can respect that and I'm sure that it is frustrating to constantly receive that type of treatment.  There's definitely never a good reason to cheat regardless of how someone feels they've been treated.  I just wanted to convey how some good situations turn bad when there's no support involved.  The scenarios I gave would apply to a man's treatment of a woman as well.  We all need our loved ones to act like we matter and not take us for granted.

I do appreciate you linking the post and building upon it.  I always love to hear things from other perspectives.  That's what I love so much about blogging.  I will link this to my original blog post.

 :)

Vesta Vayne said...

I did a lot of hooting and hollering while reading this post. Mostly over the dishes thing.  I always cook, and most of the time I do the dishes too. In the event he decides to do them, he always, without fail, leaves the pots and pans.  He's also only cleaned the bathroom once the entire time we've been married.

On the other hand, if I tell him I want to rearrange every single piece of furniture and art, he will do it all, without complaint, while I stand in the middle of the room and supervise.

My husband also pulls the 'hey! Looky what I did!' But the funny thing is that he only seems to do that with the small stuff, like sweeping the entryway. Whereas he could spend an entire weekend cleaning out our storage unit and it's no big deal.

Logy_Express said...

Bravo! You speak the truth. I have a post brewing about this amusing/sad glimpse of a handout called "7 basic needs of a husband" on the Duggar's reality show a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I watch the Duggar's reality show.

Even though I could only read a tiny portion of the "needs," I remember thinking how fragile men must be if these are really their needs...like rebuffing their physical advances is "the crushing of a man's spirit." Oh please.