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- What is more important, justice or mercy?
- Where do you get your energy, from being alone or being with others?
- If you go on a road-trip, do you plan and bring a map or go where the road takes you?
- Do you tend to see the forest or the trees?
These are some of the questions from the Myers Briggs Type Indicator. I'm not the kind of person to buy into things like astrology or Facebook quizzes like "which actor would you be?" But the Myers Briggs Type Indicator is a good start for things like thinking about your career, your relationships, and your personality.
I've gotten so familiar with it that I can have whole conversations with colleagues at work where we discuss scenarios based on the 4 letter coding of the "type" of personality. It helps people understand each other, and themselves, and that's what I like. No its not foolproof or perfect, but its a good start.
First, you take a questionnaire. You have 4 categories, each category is between two poles of types, and based on your answers you are given a weight percentage of where you are between the poles.
For example, like Han Solo, I am an ISTP. Which is awesome because he was my first crush. I was 3.
Introvert vs Extrovert (I vs E)
This area measures where you gain your energy from. Introverts tend to be turned inwards, extroverts tend to be turned externally. So introverts like to be alone, they need a great deal of "me" time. Extroverts panic with too much alone time. Which would be worse? A weekend alone or a weekend with a large group of people? For me this is absolutely clear: I prefer to be alone and make decisions on my own before asking people. I get exhausted by large crowds, in fact I downright have social anxiety and I need to hide in my cave after a social interaction. The only reason I score sort of in between I and E is because my job is social. Teaching is social. At the end of the day though I can barely stand to even go to the store. No more people!!
The reason I think this is important to understand this is if you work with an Introvert and you are an Extrovert, they may seem hostile to you, with their shut door and shy personality. They're not hostile. They can just only handle so much time around other people. If you're in a relationship with an I, understand that they need to be in a cave, it isn't a choice and it isn't about you. I have spent exhausting years having to reassure people that I still liked them I just really needed to spend a lot of time alone.
Intuitive vs Sensing (N vs S)
So this is interesting because most teachers, counselors, and writers are "N." It is an intuitive type. I'm virtually all three of those things, but I always score as "S". People with "Sensing" personalities are sensually oriented. This is how they experience the world first and foremost, through physical acts. They learn through touching, and are often things like cooks, architects, athletes, mechanics, and detectives. This is an action oriented type.
Thinking vs Feeling (T vs F)
So do not confuse this with people who are smart and people who are emotional. Everyone uses their brain and everyone uses their feelings. This area is more about what you use most often to make decisions; how you navigate through the world. I'm a sensitive and feeling person. I cry all the time. I volunteer. When I learn about cruelties and abuse I sometimes literally throw up. I feel things very deeply. But I am almost 100% a T or Thinking personality (its rare to be so skewed to one pole actually). This is because when it comes to decisions my personality tends toward the logical rather than the emotional, the "justice" rather than the "mercy." Could you fire someone? Or would it tear you apart? It is easier to fire someone as a T.
One story I use to explain this is when my friend and I got tested at a Career Center. All the "T" types and all the "F" types were separated and given three tasks. The T's sat in a linear formation, quickly elected a leader, completed the tasks through logical debate, and sat quietly because we were done. The F's sat in a circle and got to know each other and did not elect a leader or complete the tasks, but understood a great deal about each other. My friend was embarrassed because she was an F because she wanted to be the cool, logical T. But I am telling you, that is such an F way of thinking about it. F's are nicer people in my experience. T's are kind of assholes. At least they seem like that because they use logical principles rather than emotive conditions to make decisions. Another way to understand the T or F in your life is that F's need to be complimented and T's cannot take compliments. Knowing which one is which can help you understand how to proceed!
Judging vs Perceiving (J vs P)
So this difference is best demonstrated, to me at least, with how you feel about decisions. Do you like to have things decided, one way or the other, as soon as possible? Or do you like to delay decisions until the last minute? Is your workspace organized or messy? Do you prefer to be routine or spontaneous? Are you reliable or flaky? I am a pretty reliable person. I am never late. But I leave things to the last minute and even though I love lists and have organized workspaces (at least to me), they totally aren't organized to other people. My "system" isn't doesn't appear as awesome to people as it does to me. Furthermore, I hate making decisions. When I'm with other people I become more J. I want to decide things, get things done. But in my personal life I have a very hard time making simple decisions. I'm wracked by "what if..." doubts. Most of all, if I got in a car to plan a trip I would wing it, like I wing everything, rather than plan it out. And I would never say "we better make a move." I prefer to be flexible. But I'm pretty close to the middle on this one and flaky people quickly get entered onto my list of shit.
Now, its important to understand :
- Yes there is no foolproof answer to the questions. You just give your most instinctual response, not the sort of "well it depends.." response. Trust your instincts and stop trying to debate and hedge bets.
- The middle letters, N/S and T/F, are the dominant indicators. For example, I am an ISTP. I will have more in common with ESTPs and ISTJ than with INFP or INFJ. This doesn't mean I won't get along with them, it just means they are a different breed of animal and its helpful to know how different.
- This is often used for relationships (even parent-child relationship) and career advice. So yes it can change over time and depending on circumstance. If I wasn't a teacher I'd be 100% Introvert I think.
ISTP are described as:
Tolerant and flexible, quiet observers until a problem appears, then act quickly to find workable solutions. Analyze what makes things work and readily get through large amounts of data to isolate the core of practical problems. Interested in cause and effect, organize facts using logical principles, value efficiency.Quiet and reserved, interested in how and why things work. Excellent skills with mechanical things. Risk-takers who they live for the moment. Usually interested in and talented at extreme sports. Uncomplicated in their desires. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.
ISTP's have problems with abstract learning. I'm pretty bright. I'm really not dumb. But once I start hearing abstract information I go to sleep in my brain. I always tell students "give me examples!" I do not like "theories." I like experience, examples, action, diagrams, and am a kinesthetic learner. This is weird for a book-nerd, but there you go. I consistently am told on career surveys that I should be in search and rescue operations or a mechanic. Even my "Teaching Strengths" on Positive Psychology modules is "action."
ISTP likes to live on the edge because they are comfortable with their physical world. I love motorcyles and skydiving its true. I'd skydive everyday if I could. I am a true adrenaline junkie.
A friend okay multiple friends have told me that I am masculine in many ways. You wouldn't think that if you just met me. I dress very feminine, I am very shy, and I like feminine things. But I think that masculinity they notice is because of my ISTP type. I am an introvert so I don't like being around people. I am a sensing person so I don't like sitting around talking I like action. I am a thinker so I make decisions with rather cold-seeming logic. I don't think I'm masculine at all. I just think I'd rather do an activity than really pour out my heart. If you play squash with me and have a laugh you will be much more bonded with me, in my mind, than if we have a heart to heart over a glass of wine.
It can be very lonely to be an ISTP because it is not a common Type. When I'm confronted with talking intimacy I feel distant. When confronted with physical shared experience I feel much more intimate, in fact probably too much.
My memories are coded by sensual experience - what something smelt like, sounded like, felt like to the physical touch, rather than what it felt like emotionally. I wonder if Autistic people are more "S" than N.
What are you?
Han Solo Image:
http://www.enfpforum.com/ENFPWiki/ISTPPhotos.aspx











21 comments:
OK. First of all I have to tease you here. YOU ARE NEVER LATE???!!!! WTF???? Maybe not for work but for social engagments, you are ALWAYS late. Sometimes you are sooooooooooooo late. ;) .....Well I have already talked about this a ton with yout. I am defintely an NF. (Although with the situation you describe, I would have rather been with the Ts. Having a bunch of people sitting in a circle talking about random stuff would stress me out. I like staying on task.) I think I am ulitimately an I. SO INF.And that tricky J/P thing. In some ways I am so hyper organized. Especially my computer files. And I love planning trips. Like if I go somewhere I like to plan every day of the trip. I have to stop from planning every minute. ;) And I do like "discovery time"--just as long as it's planned. Ha ha ha. I also make decisions pretty quickly. And I test SLIGHTLY towards the J side of thing. So that makes me INFJ. But I don't know. The INFJ descriptions just don't sound like me. But maybe I just don't know myself. In the past I have come up ENFJ and that sound more like me. But I don't know. I have a hard time seeing myself as an extrovert. But interesting stuff. I loved this post! :)
No this is just you applying your memory, which is mistaken, to me at all times and now. I really am never late. Not for anything. You might be thinking of times I showed up late for events I didn't want to go to that were not really time-oriented. Like a party or a meeting of friends or an outing. Those things aren't specific. But if a particular time is set, I am not late for it. Not for a meeting, not for a class, not for a lunch date, not to the airport, not for an arranged scheduled date or event. For a social gathering where people start coming in at 7? Yeah I'll come at 9 because I hate social gatherings and I try to avoid as much of the event as possible. But I am not a late person I'm annoyingly punctual. I mean, to the dot.
I'm not like a friend, who actually reminds me of you, who I say "I'll pick you up at 7." Guess what time I come? 7. Guess what time she is actually ready to go? 8. That totally reminds me of you.
Sometimes you are crazy in that you have a memory that is incorrect and you think it applies to all of time. Maybe you are remembering me saying "I'm gonna be late" and asking for more time for something. I guarantee you that was not because I was running late but because I didn't want to go to the thing and was delaying going, not because I wasn't ready.
I remember frequently trying to put off going out at night by telling people I needed more time, but I was in fact totally ready. I just didn't want to leave the house.
Anyway at this point the only way I can be late for something is if I make myself late. Nowadays even when I don't want to go to an event I'm still ready on time. I just sit there waiting, avoiding going to the thing I don't want to go to.
One of my colleagues teases me for example because I always show up 10 minutes before the graduation ceremony. So she, like you, would probably think I'm "late" to things. But she doesn't see the consistency or the reason. I'm ALWAYS ten minutes before the ceremony. Never more, never less. Because I've planned it that way. I will sit in my car if I have to. I hate standing around having to make small talk with people, and waiting and waiting and waiting for the ceremony to begin. I'd rather sit in my car and play with my phone. So I show up later than everyone else only to avoid everyone else. But I was ready on time.
I am very clear with schedules. My mom sets each of her clocks to different times. Do you know how bonkers that is? Some are 45 minutes fast, some are 20 minutes fast. That is her strategy to make herself "be on time." What it means is that she's never on time. She's always 45 minutes late.
What part of ENFJ sounds more like you?
I think vodka really affects whether you are a T or an F.
I also think you are just really contrary. Like if you are with a bunch of T's you will laugh at them and go "oh you silly T's" and be a Feeler. But with Feeler's you will be all "what's wrong with you F's?!" and start being a T.
As for organization, I don't know because all of your systems have seemed a little nutty to me, but they seemed to make sense to you. And you definitely are anal retentive about your coffee table. I think the planning of days isn't really about being a J so much as its that you like arranging things. Because you are still rather flexible with plans. I think you are probably pretty moderate on all things. You even have some S characteristics in that you like sensual experiences. But overall I think the N is your strongest Type indicator.
Moderate in all the poles is good!
Oh haha you are TOTALLY ENFJ you chameleon!! Yes you are all about people and all about being secretive. hahahaha
http://www.personalitypage.com/ENFJ.html
Yes I read them both and I agree ENFJ fits you more than INFJ
What do you think about the fact that if you are an ENFJ and I am an ISTP we are complete opposites? :)
and by the way I am not arguing that I am a J. I am toooooooootally a P.
I think these two things about me are funny. Unfortunately they are true.
"They are not naturally tuned in to how they are affecting others." "This may be a problem area for many ISTPs"
and oh boy..
"An ISTP who is over-stressed may exhibit rash emotional outbursts of anger, or on the other extreme may be overwhelmed by emotions and feelings which they feel compelled to share with people (often inappropriately)."
but at least this is also true: "They will not take part in something which violates their personal laws." hence not walking in graduation etc
one of my friends has always noticed this about me: "Their sense of adventure and desire for constant action makes ISTPs prone to becoming bored rather quickly."
Did you scroll to the bottom of yours and see Careers and Relationships? You can see what ENFJ is like as a lover? have your bf take the test and see what he is
I love that these are my careers:
Police and Detective Work
Forensic Pathologists
Computer Programmers, System Analysts and Computer Specialists
Engineers
Carpenters
Mechanics
Pilots, Drivers, Motorcyclists
Athletes
Entrepreneur
Well apparently I am in the wrong line of work
These are yours:
Facilitator
Consultant
Psychologist
Social Worker / Counselor
Teacher
Clergy
Sales Representative
Human Resources
Manager
Events Coordinator
Sales Representative
Politicians / Diplomats
Writers
Yeah. The ENFJ thing fits. But not in this regard:
"{Being alone] can be difficult for some ENFJs, because they have the tendency to be hard on themselves and turn to dark thoughts when alone. Consequently, ENFJs might avoid being alone, and fill their lives with activities involving other people. ENFJs tend to define their life's direction and priorities according to other people's needs, and may not be aware of their own needs. It's natural to their personality type that they will tend to place other people's needs above their own, but they need to stay aware of their own needs so that they don't sacrifice themselves in their drive to help others."
Like for one thing, I'm pretty me focused at the end of the day. It's not a good thign but it's a true thing. Like I don't put myself last. I probably should sometimes. But I don't. I like being alone. And the thought of filling ALL my free time with activities involving people makes my skin crawl a little. Ha ha ha.
This is the part of the INFJ that seems to describe me (well not the "always right" part but the intuition part. ;)
"INFJs know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions."
I don't know if this describes you: "They are not naturally tuned in to how they are affecting others." You are pretty good about noticing when someone feels bad or not included. I guess, at the end of the day, all these categories are too simplistic to completely describe people in all their complexity. :)
Haha even when they're wrong..
Yes I think you are between ENFJ and INFJ.
Exactly they can't get 100% of the person.
I think I notice when someone feels bad or left out if I visually see them. I'm aware of visual cues. But what I understand about "They are not naturally tuned in to how they are affecting others" is that I often hurt people's feelings VERBALLY without realizing it until I see evidence of it visually. I do not have a very good edit function. Sometimes I cannot believe the ^&*( that comes out of my mouth.
I mean I generally think before I speak. I'm not one of those people who speak as a way of figuring out what they think. Not at all. In a group situation especially I am usually one of the last to speak. I listen first. But in one on one situations, especially when I feel comfortable, I don't think about how what I say makes a person FEEL, I just think about how it sounds as an abstract statement. Often people shake their heads and say "omg I can't believe you just said that."
Just part of my personality I guess :) What is exactly on my mind is exactly what comes out.
Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
78 62 12 22
Paula
Ah! The Scientist.
Two paces from me, and one from my father (he is an ISTJ and I feel that he is very nearly an INTJ if only one degree off). Do you feel this is accurate?
High introversion. You live in a treehouse and work from home perhaps?
Strong intuition. You see the larger picture. I don't know many people who are S - which is not to say there aren't many just that there are less, only that I seem drawn to a world of N's. N's are often teachers, counselors, writers. Now a moderate to strong preference here is interesting given interests in food, sensual bohemia, nature, and photography - which I would experience through my senses. Perhaps for you these things are experienced in the larger scale of patterns. You see an N (intuitive) mind sees the larger pattern (the forest rather than the trees), can think abstractly, see the detail (computer programming), understand the concept. Apply the concept. An interest in psychology is not a surprise here either.
You can think abstractly and process new information, in a way in which I cannot. Its always felt like a handicap to me, given my interest in ideas and learning, that I cannot learn new concepts quickly. To some degree it is humiliating because I don't understand something for a long time. Then suddenly I understand it, all at once. But to get to that larger picture, holding onto that abstract concept, is an arduous process and I feel like I'm juggling knives.
I am fascinated by evolution, for example. When I was learning how it works, I could not just loosely grasp the larger concept. I was preoccupied for months by how adaptation actually works. I could not wrap my mind around it. Something was missing. Finally, Eureka! I came across "radiation", this seemingly small part of the chain to some, and then EVERYTHING about evolution made sense. Do you see what I mean? I'm either wandering in the dark or I completely understand. I can't easily understand the larger picture. I imagine you, as an N, as "The Scientist", as an Introverted, Intuitive, Thinker, understand abstract things fairly quickly and holistically. I know that you do from speaking to you.
I hope this is making sense to you. Let me give you another example. If we both read Tarzan, you might understand the larger themes more quickly. I would probably say the story is about trees.
Now. for Thinking, I am not surprised to see less of a preference here, given your sensitive nature and desire for harmony. You can fire or break up with someone, but you may make other decisions from places of feeling.
You have a moderate anal retentiveness, I mean Judging nature, in that you like matters to be decided, organized, and planned. Perhaps the J is a protective part for your intuition.
Systems and organizations will appeal to you from all of these elements, particularly your N ability to understand systems, your T ability to think through logically, and your J ability to systematically organize processes.
You may find, that you approach the world through judgment (I'm not talking moralistic here). By assessing it with a scientific eye, making your decision/determination about people, places, things, situations, facts, and then being rather black and white about it, not necessarily letting more information in very quickly. Potentially this can cause problems by making you appear judgmental to others because your decision has already been made. Probably you allow for more input and information when you see the need. But misunderstandings may arise when a person does not possess the same logical, systematic decision. Because this type has both high intuition and thinking preferences they are often convinced they are right which can be confusing when others process information differently.
You are a confident, decisive, committed person, a good listener, able to leave relationships/situations, always want to make the relationship better, and can take criticism.
Your need to improve a relationship or take it to another level or work out kinks may be exhausting for the other party, you may appear insensitive, you may give logical/practical rather than emotional support, you may appear infallible and emotionally distant.
One struggle you may face is matching your vision of things with reality.
"INTJs are highly intense, intelligent people who bring a lot of depth and insight into most major areas of their life. In terms of relationships, their greatest potential pitfall is the tendency to think about things rather than doing them, and their difficulty reconciling reality with their inner visions. INTJs are likely to be in positive, healthy relationships, because they're likely to leave relationships which aren't working for them (unless other circumstances prohibit that)."
As a parent your main goal is to raise intelligent and independent children. Goal: accomplished.
Your ideal career is Computer Programmer/Systems Analyst.
hahahahahaaaa.
You'd also be a good scientist, engineer, and doctor.
Good lord I almost lost my shit when I read this:
In relationships: "perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is INTJs really want people to make sense."
In other words, when people don't make what seems to you to be logically consistent or smart choices etc it drives you batty.
"This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness. "
Haha-hahhaha-haaahhaha-HA. One person, the Feeler, expects endless empathy and understanding. The other, you, cannot give it because you in turn expect endless reasonableness and smart decisions, which the other person cannot give because they are human. :)
"This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness. "
This sums it up. Holy shit.
YUP.
This shit is bananas.
ENFJ What happened to the "I'm ambiguous" answer? I can't answer "Yes, or No" questions. I feel pressured and bound to the black and white of it all. I want a re-do!
Finally, I'm in!
Yes but you know what I guessed what your personality type, and I've never met you? ENFJ. I thought maybe ENFP but probably ENFJ. And you know who doesn't like yes/no questions? F's. :)
What happens with the yes/no questions, and I agree it is hard to choose - is that there are a variety of questions of that "type" of preference so that by the end of the quiz your preference evens out. Its not perfect mind you but its a good conversation starter!
You are a "giver." I am a "mechanic" and PP is a "scientist."
I like this quotation on your type preference: you are a people person and have the power to get people to do what you want them to do.
That probably helps as a mom and a teacher, right? :)
How do you get your students to do what you want them to do?
You are good with people, understand them, make them happy, and are great to be around, but you may feel secretly lonely and reserved with them. So don't forget your own needs!
You are a good fit for teacher/counselor/consultant.
What do you think? My stepmom I think is an ENFP which is close. Both are warm, intuitive, maternal signs that like harmony and affection. You just like order and organization and plans and lists more than her :)
http://www.personalitypage.com/ENFJ.html
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